[Dave Bradley]

I don’t think there is going to be much weight difference between the CJ and the SSR frame, maybe a few ounces, but the addition of a carbon fork to the mix will lighten up either bike.

If you take care of your bikes I think the CJ would do wonderfully and IF can build it however you want. If you truly want a light bike look at the Factory Lightweight and get a true lightweight steel bike.

You might also look at the Ti CJ as it is close to the SSR in price.

Your wheels selection could also be a huge benefit or setback regarding weight.

just my thoughts.

Get the CJ and spring for some super hot wheels! Best of both worlds atmo.

[Dave Bradley]

Enjoy the vaca brother!

[Dave Bradley]

I know Mitch Grahm has had his for awhile, it is a 650B, but he rides a ton, so his opinion would be worth quite a bit to me. Give him a shout at this link http://www.biowheels.com/

fwiw, I don’t work for Bio wheels or Mitch. Just have seen him race cross and have been to both of his shops.

Cheers

Dave

[Dave Bradley]

Ships out tomorrow! I am flipping stoked! Last one baby! Number 20 of 20!

[Dave Bradley]

Didn’t Joe tell us that with companies like IBIS making such light weight 5+ inch travel bikes, they didn’t find a huge market for what they can bring to the table?

Moots does ok with ti mtbs and the IF would be killer.

[Dave Bradley]

Sean well said.

My allegiance has always been and will always continue to be with Joe. I have spoken to Gary in person and through the other site you mention (Velocipede) and find him capable.

What I do like is what Joe and others have to share about Gary. They believe in him, share his vision to grow IF.

IF is bigger then any one person, it has a great history and I hope a great future.

We have deviated from the original purpose of where IF is selling. i have spoken to Joe as well as my best mates Darren and Mike. The sentiment shared by everyone is that the quality of the frames/forks remains top notch regardless where it is sold.

Yeah I am passionate and that clouds things, however, everything I have learned from Gary, Joe, Lloyd, Tyler etc, has reinforced and added to my passion for the bikes and company.

However, sometimes a pig-headed person argues points not needed!

Cheers all!

Dave

[Dave Bradley]

Because he is smarter then you?

Gary has excellent business skills, has a vision for IF, has encouraged relationships with people and companies to put IF in a position to succeed in a competitive market.

He empowers the rest of the staff to think outside of the box, strive to be better, and fights passionately for the brand.

If that is a wanker, then yeah I guess he is.

[Dave Bradley]

I hear ya!

What one are you thinking about?

Tell her they hold more value then a house!

[Dave Bradley]

No one at IF envisions the company turning into anything different then what it is. Finding new ways to source materials, utilizing new materials and methods, promoting the brand and the owners in a way that it was meant to, and looking into new projects to see what potential they have if any for IF is what the company is about.

Bike shops cannot survive on custom orders alone. They have to sell things to keep the lights on. Most folks know Trek due to Lance, Specialized as they sell $250 bikes up to $8K bikes.

IF sells their bikes in bikes shops. They do not limit what shops sell such as Specialized and Trek does. That is not their motive.

IF isn’t Timberland and Gary is a hell of a lot smarter then we are. Nor was he the entire company there. He knows what he is doing and has a brilliant vision for how to improve the brand. He also has an intense loyalty for everyone involved at IF. You cannot compare IF and Timberland as their visions were different. Folks that do not know him truly don’t get it. He has been there for over a year. Seems as though IF still is rocking and killing it with sweet bikes. People panic when new folks come in. Let it go and enjoy new ideas.

Gary, Joe, Lloyd, Tyler, Finn, Kevin, Clint, Leah, Jamie, hell everyone at IF are class acts. They make the best bikes out there. They have ideas and put them into action. They keep it real and develop brilliant relationships with their customers.

Where the bike is sold is so irrelevant to anything. They want good shops with excellent people supporting their brand.

Folks keep it real and enjoy the bikes. Place an order for a new one…however you can!

[Dave Bradley]

There are several folks who have worked at IF over the years. Matty B was a huge influence and sold bikes really well.

IF has history, present, and a future.

Celebrate what it now and where it is going. Those two things are both influenced by the past.

[Dave Bradley]

That’s what she said!

[Dave Bradley]

It should be covered under home owners or renter insurance. I was hit by a car once in grad school and my renter’s insurance covered. As the cost of your bike is $7K you might look into a little side policy.

Never a bad idea, if you can swing it.

[Dave Bradley]

It is fun that the forum is seeing more action and I applaud that. However, this particular argument lacks merit, rational thought, and worthiness of discussion.

We all have heard your point, IF has heard your point, and it appears there is no pleasing you with regards to our or their position.

I do hope you enjoy your IF. They are fantastic bikes. I hope it performs as you had hoped.

I think this forum needs to grow with positive insightful dialog and this thread isn’t that.

Chris or whomever can, I think locking it will at least give folks opportunity to read it, but I don’t think comments are progressing it anywhere that is worth going.

Cheers

Dave

[Dave Bradley]

Oh, but what if they made a tandem, then both girls one bke and the two shops could share!

MMMMMM small markets!

[Dave Bradley]

Does selling a handmade bike in a shop that also sells mass produced bikes change how the bike was made?

If you bought an IF in a shop that only sells IF, Moots, Seven, and Serotta would it be created any differently then if it was sold in a shop that sells Trek, Cannondale, or Specialized?

I think I understand your point that IF is special, but where it sold does not affect how it was made or how it will ride.

As for what you think IF owes you regarding their business practices, that seems a bit arrogant. IF has and will continue to make amazing bikes. They continue t support their dealierships as best they can. They continue to progress the work they do and continue to love building and especially riding bikes.

I think you need to pull your head out of your ass and get over it. If you are bent on where you buy your IF being a determining factor…I am sure they don’t need you.

Stop trolling and move on.

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